Curse

Algren Cole · Jul 05, 2005, 03:50 PM // 15:50

**Spoiler Alert**

was anyone else extremely dissapointed by their Doppleganger? I mean you work all the way through pre-sear as a nobody...understanding nothing of the world. You pass through the academy and take on your rightful place as savior to the Ascalon people....you reach Yaks Bend and eventually Lions Arch and you complete the toughest quest in the game (Villainy of Galrath)...-STORY SPOILER- you become a member of the White Mantle....and then find out the Mantle is evil....you accept your duty to ascend and take on the evils of the world....

then you fight your doppleganger and it takes 23 seconds to pwn him and the only thing he does throughout the entire course of the battle is heal you for +4 +4....

Sad to say that this game has been ruined by the fact that a 4 yr old could effectively play it....

<3 GW...let's just hope the expansion makes the game a tad more difficult.

Sledge · Jul 05, 2005, 03:54 PM // 15:54

From what I read your one of the fortunate ones. There are a good amount of players who have an amazingly hard time with thier mirror fight.

Seems certain professions have a harder time than others, monks mostly from the forums.

I have not done it yet, but from what I read, as a W/R, I won't have too hard a time. I didn't during beta so I probably won't this time round either.

Heh, I am so much the casual gamer. I think I post more than play, lol, very sad.

EDITED for abismal spelling lol

Aniewiel · Jul 05, 2005, 03:56 PM // 15:56

Mine died very quickly as well. I'll tell you what disappointed me more than the rapid death: My mirror didn't even LOOK like me and it was using a bow? What is that all about? I'm a Me/Mo that wears purple with nicely styled hair and a VERY scary stick and mask. Pfft...

arnansnow · Jul 05, 2005, 03:57 PM // 15:57

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

**Spoiler Alert**

was anyone else extremely dissapointed by their Doppleganger? I mean you work all the way through pre-sear as a nobody...understanding nothing of the world. You pass through the academy and take on your rightful place as savior to the Ascalon people....you reach Yaks Bend and eventually Lions Arch and you complete the toughest quest in the game (Villainy of Galrath)...-STORY SPOILER- you become a member of the White Mantle....and then find out the Mantle is evil....you accept your duty to ascend and take on the evils of the world....

then you fight your doppleganger and it takes 23 seconds to pwn him and the only thing he does throughout the entire course of the battle is heal you for +4 +4....

Sad to say that this game has been ruined by the fact that a 4 yr old could effectively play it....

<3 GW...let's just hope the expansion makes the game a tad more difficult.

Just so you know, Villany of Galrath isn't even close to the toughest quest in the game. And the mirror is easy if you know good strategies, but if you knew nothing about him, it would be harder.

If you want to do harder stuff, go to Fow or Uw.

Zuggy · Jul 05, 2005, 03:59 PM // 15:59

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Originally Posted by Sledge

I didn't during beta so I probably won't this time round either.

It wasn't in the beta.

I have done it with a monk and a ranger. My ranger took me over 15 tries to kill it, trying to find the right combo of skills and such.

The monk I killed it the first time with symbol of wrath, retribution and holy wrath.

Epinephrine · Jul 05, 2005, 04:00 PM // 16:00

I agree that the doppelganger is far too easy - I can't imagine how you could fail going in prepared. If it were a complete surprise there are many builds that would have a hard time with it (monk primaries for example) but the fact is that it's not hard to beat if you set your skills first. Rather unchallenging - as a warrior it's less effective than you (especially as it doesn't time things as well), as a necromancer it'll sacrifice itself to death, as a mesmer you can beat it with your eyes closed, the ranger can rely on it using rituals for an edge and can interrupt its only heal with distracting shot, and sucker it into using distracting shot on something wimpy, the elementalists simply have to move out of the doppel's area attacks, it's too dumb to do the same, and the monks can equip wasteful enchantments to use up its energy and simply allow it to beat itself to death on a retribution while hooking heals through divine favour. And that's without even bothering to look at your secondary. With a secondary you just combine the elements of both - Necro monk? Load up on useless monk enchantments, take rend enchantments, Insidious parasite and a few sacrifice skills (use awaken the blood, he sacrifices 50% more...) He'll nuke himself nicely by rending your enchantments off, waste energy putting them up himself, sacrifice himself mostly to death and finish himself off on your insidious parasite. It's elementary.

Algren Cole · Jul 05, 2005, 04:01 PM // 16:01

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Originally Posted by Aniewiel

Mine died very quickly as well. I'll tell you what disappointed me more than the rapid death: My mirror didn't even LOOK like me and it was using a bow? What is that all about? I'm a Me/Mo that wears purple with nicely styled hair and a VERY scary stick and mask. Pfft...

that's because Doppleganger isn't your mirror....

arnansnow: The only thing I knew about my doppleganger is that he *SHOULD* mimic my build, my health/energy, and the skills I had equipped....that was enough to slaughter him(which is everything you can learn about your doppleganger through paying attention to the game). Villainy is the toughest quest up to the doppleganger...I've nver been to FoW/UW. I'm waiting until I have nothing else to do with the game.

epinephrine: I'm a R/W(though I have completely ignored my secondary since i got it)....and I literally just clicked on the doppleganger and then sat there and plunked him for 20-28 dmg while he healed me...

Aniewiel · Jul 05, 2005, 04:02 PM // 16:02

Pfft...I still wish it looked like me.

I guess I just need(ed) to learn the correct vernacular: doppleganger vs. mirror

If it's a mirror, it should look like you. If it's a crappy doppleganger, who cares.

arnansnow · Jul 05, 2005, 04:02 PM // 16:02

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

that's because Doppleganger isn't your mirror....

arnansnow: The only thing I knew about my doppleganger is that he *SHOULD* mimic my build, my health/energy, and the skills I had equipped....that was enough to slaughter him(which is everything you can learn about your doppleganger through paying attention to the game). Villainy is the toughest quest up to the doppleganger...I've nver been to FoW/UW. I'm waiting until I have nothing else to do with the game.

I am talking about knowing NOTHING about the mirror. nothing at all, not knowing that he has your skills, nothing.

arnansnow · Jul 05, 2005, 04:03 PM // 16:03

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Originally Posted by Aniewiel

Pfft...I still wish it looked like me.

I guess I just need(ed) to learn the correct vernacular: doppleganger vs. mirror

If it's a mirror, it should look like you. If it's a crappy doppleganger, who cares.

I use the word Mirror because Doppleganger is harder to type.

Algren Cole · Jul 05, 2005, 04:04 PM // 16:04

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Originally Posted by arnansnow

I am talking about knowing NOTHING about the mirror. nothing at all, not knowing that he has your skills, nothing.

that would require that you didn't pay attention to the game at all...nor felt the need to figure out what a doppleganger was. ignorance doesn't make games difficult.

arnansnow · Jul 05, 2005, 04:06 PM // 16:06

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

that would require that you didn't pay attention to the game at all...nor felt the need to figure out what a doppleganger was. ignorance doesn't make games difficult.

It wouldn't require you to be oblivious to the game, just to be oblivious to what people say in forums, or in local chat.

Aniewiel · Jul 05, 2005, 04:07 PM // 16:07

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Originally Posted by arnansnow

I use the word Mirror because Doppleganger is harder to type.

You are 100% correct about that one.

You also can't type DP since everyone will think you're talking about the death penalty.

Darksci · Jul 05, 2005, 04:09 PM // 16:09

Mirror isn't meant to look like or act like you.
When i used my Monk against the Mirror. It was the MIRROR of me.
It was the exact OPPOSITE of me (what a mirror is).

I was there with my scar armor, and healing staff.
He was there with full metal armor, and chaos axe and bow.

To me - thats a good mirror. Because generally most monk wouldn't be using swords and bows now would they?

To me it seemed perfectly fine. Unfortunely because he was the exact opposite of me, i had a really annoying time trying to beat him lol.

In the end, i found the only way to kill him was to stop him doing what he wanted. So i used sourge heal, so he never healed. Then i use zealots fire and divine boon to kill him.

(of course i had to adjust all my attributes to smiting to achieve this).

Algren Cole · Jul 05, 2005, 04:12 PM // 16:12

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Originally Posted by arnansnow

It wouldn't require you to be oblivious to the game, just to be oblivious to what people say in forums, or in local chat.

I don't read anything on the forums that might spoil the game for the future....I just happened to know what a Doppleganger is...and they elude to the fact that you'd be fighting "yourself" before you could ascend...one would only need to play any number of other RPG titles out there to have seen this one coming. it was the most predictable part of the storyline(which is weak to begin with)...and even if I hadn't known what a doppleganger is I could quite easily go look it up and figure out exactly how he/she would have acted in battle.

if it takes you more than 2 tries to beat your doppleganger you need to start thinking while you play.

Algren Cole · Jul 05, 2005, 04:13 PM // 16:13

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Originally Posted by Darksci

Mirror isn't meant to look like or act like you.
When i used my Monk against the Mirror. It was the MIRROR of me.
It was the exact OPPOSITE of me (what a mirror is).

I was there with my scar armor, and healing staff.
He was there with full metal armor, and chaos axe and bow.

To me - thats a good mirror. Because generally most monk wouldn't be using swords and bows now would they?

To me it seemed perfectly fine. Unfortunely because he was the exact opposite of me, i had a really annoying time trying to beat him lol.

In the end, i found the only way to kill him was to stop him doing what he wanted. So i used sourge heal, so he never healed. Then i use zealots fire and divine boon to kill him.

(of course i had to adjust all my attributes to smiting to achieve this).

that's actually a very very good post....and also a very good insight into the Mirror Self....but a doppleganger is not a mirror self....

arnansnow · Jul 05, 2005, 04:14 PM // 16:14

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

I don't read anything on the forums that might spoil the game for the future....I just happened to know what a Doppleganger is...and they elude to the fact that you'd be fighting "yourself" before you could ascend...one would only need to play any number of other RPG titles out there to have seen this one coming. it was the most predictable part of the storyline(which is weak to begin with)...and even if I hadn't known what a doppleganger is I could quite easily go look it up and figure out exactly how he/she would have acted in battle.

if it takes you more than 2 tries to beat your doppleganger you need to start thinking while you play.

While you say the mirror was easy, why are there a huge amount of posts asking for help against the mirror, and lots of people in Augury Rock ask for help against the mirror. So you knew what a doppleganger was, and was smart enough to know how to beat it. good for you.

Aniewiel · Jul 05, 2005, 04:16 PM // 16:16

Main Entry: dop·pel·gäng·er
Variant(s): or dop·pel·gang·er /'dä-p&l-"ga[ng]-&r, -"ge[ng]-, "dä-p&l-'/
Function: noun
Etymology: German Doppelgänger, from doppel- double + -gänger goer
1 : a ghostly counterpart of a living person
2 a : DOUBLE 2a b : ALTER EGO b c : a person who has the same name as another

Interesting definitions, don't you think? Got these from Merriam-Webster online. The word sounds eerily like one's 'mirror' image but not precisely.

Algren Cole · Jul 05, 2005, 04:23 PM // 16:23

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Originally Posted by Aniewiel

Main Entry: dop·pel·gäng·er
Variant(s): or dop·pel·gang·er /'dä-p&l-"ga[ng]-&r, -"ge[ng]-, "dä-p&l-'/
Function: noun
Etymology: German Doppelgänger, from doppel- double + -gänger goer
1 : a ghostly counterpart of a living person
2 a : DOUBLE 2a b : ALTER EGO b c : a person who has the same name as another

Interesting definitions, don't you think? Got these from Merriam-Webster online. The word sounds eerily like one's 'mirror' image but not precisely.

doppleganger means "double walker". a doppelganger is a shadow-self that accompanies every human. it's a german word used to describe ones shadow...and why it's always 'lurking' behind you. everyones doppleganger should be wearing dark armor and their face should be shadowed.

Sekkira · Jul 05, 2005, 04:28 PM // 16:28

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

if it takes you more than 2 tries to beat your doppleganger you need to start thinking while you play.

I knew about this with my alt N/Me, prepared for it, got the skills I thought would work and prompltly defeated it the first time. AFTER I died. I then set up some different skills and done even worse. It wasn't until after I respecced my entire character and just put some hexes on him so when he attacked, he'd hurt himself while I had price of failure and could dodge most of the attacks that I won. I just sat there and didn't attack, letting him kill himself off. And even then it took some practice with the completely new setup.

Personally I really don't see a way to defeat it with your specs in blood/death/illusion magic.